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Just because you see it, doesn't mean it's there.

What may look like "homeoerotic tension" to 20th century eyes may, to a 16th century writer, be utterly devoid of any sexual element whatsoever. You're like the homosexuals in the 1950s who swore up and down that Batman and Robin were gay. It just wasn't so -- they were merely projecting their own fantasies onto what they read.
Without any evidence, you can pick and choose whatever you wish, interpret it according to your own prejudices, and come to any conclusion whatsoever. That's sloppy thinking. Fiction is fiction and there's no way to tell what is autobiographical and what is not without having some idea of the author's biography.

Posted by Reality Chuck on April 10, 1997 at 12:13:27
In Reply to "Why shut down anything that might be interesting?" posted by Cloten on April 10, 1997 at 08:54:28

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That's an angument that cuts both ways Cloten 16:20:41 4/10/97 (67)
- I'm not denying Reality Chuck 08:03:21 4/11/97 (36)
  - Geez you seem to be Bill Routhier 23:18:41 4/12/97 (1)
    - There are plenty of curiosities here. Just no facts. Reality Chuck 06:53:38 4/14/97 (0)
  - Sure Cloten 09:42:09 4/11/97 (33)
    - Shock Horror! Professor Mike 02:07:50 4/15/97 (29)
      - Sorry, but you are wrong (as usual). Bruce Spielbauer 04:58:29 4/15/97 (28)
        
        Sorry to you, Herr Poppycock... Professor Mike 15:24:33 4/15/97 (9)
        
        "Shall I compare..." Thersites 01:43:59 4/16/97 (8)
        
        Shall I Compare Thee to a Poppycock? Professor Mike 02:15:08 4/16/97 (7)
        
        Once again, your analysis breaks down when confronted with reality. Reality Chuck 07:52:24 4/17/97 (3)
        
        The sonnets in sequence Professor Mike 10:29:17 4/17/97 (1)
        
        Endless orgy Reality Chuck 13:56:27 4/17/97 (0)
        
        The sonnets in sequence Professor Mike 10:24:53 4/17/97 (1)
        
        Endless orgy Reality Chuck 13:56:27 4/17/97 (0)
        
        What you said Thersites 04:41:44 4/16/97 (2)
        
        Withdraw? Never! Professor Mike 10:32:23 4/17/97 (1)
        
        Contradiction Thersites 01:13:22 4/18/97 (0)
        
        Bruce, you keep saying that good scholarship dictates Bill Routhier 07:07:44 4/15/97 (17)
        
        Poet Laureate Thersites 01:56:33 4/16/97 (1)
        
        Thank you thersites, for the correction... Bill Routhier 08:57:09 4/16/97 (0)
        
        "What We Already Know" Vs. "Invention" Bruce Spielbauer 15:03:17 4/15/97 (1)
        
        humbly Bruce, i beseech you... Bill Routhier 22:24:41 4/15/97 (0)
        
        Depends on which direction you're travelling Thersites 07:30:30 4/15/97 (12)
        
        which is exactly what oxfordians do... Bill Routhier 10:11:48 4/15/97 (5)
        
        Precisely! Thersites 01:37:13 4/16/97 (4)
        
        From Conclusion to Premise...Not! Professor Mike 14:21:26 4/17/97 (2)
        
        More narcissism. Reality Chuck 09:46:29 4/18/97 (1)
        
        Chuck, you keep singing the same song... Professor Mike 21:56:28 4/19/97 (0)
        
        and yet it is the same method used in courts of law every day Bill Routhier 09:01:35 4/16/97 (0)
        
        not exactly the case in how Oxfordian scholarship works... Bill Routhier 10:02:56 4/15/97 (5)
        
        Nonsense, as usual. Reality Chuck 13:10:47 4/15/97 (0)
        
        Nonsense, as usual. Reality Chuck 13:10:17 4/15/97 (0)
        
        Burghley : a very well known figure Florence Amit 11:17:42 4/15/97 (2)
        
        you're right, Florence, Bill Routhier 14:05:18 4/15/97 (1)
        
        Looking at Shakespeare differently Florence Amit 16:09:51 4/15/97 (0)
    - Agreed Reality Chuck 06:57:03 4/14/97 (2)
      - Overstated, too Cloten 08:24:58 4/14/97 (1)
        
        True Reality Chuck 09:17:30 4/14/97 (0)
- Antonio and elderly man Florence Amit 05:17:10 4/11/97 (4)
  - well Florence... Bill Routhier 23:38:51 4/12/97 (1)
    - Vague , alas Florence Amit 02:53:48 4/13/97 (0)
  - I'm not sure I follow but... Cloten 09:49:40 4/11/97 (1)
    - In theory Florence Amit 16:54:38 4/12/97 (0)
- ? Bruce Spielbauer 17:19:57 4/10/97 (24)
  - Check your browser Cloten 17:31:09 4/10/97 (23)
    - Batman and Robin Bill Routhier 23:33:56 4/12/97 (20)
      - Good point, and... Cloten 09:55:41 4/13/97 (19)
        
        yeah but, if you start with a bad premise Bill Routhier 22:12:15 4/13/97 (18)
        
        False binary Cloten 08:27:35 4/14/97 (17)
        
        yet Shakespeare's motivation Bill Routhier 10:17:10 4/14/97 (15)
        
        Contradiction Thersites 01:08:29 4/15/97 (2)
        
        because the court was probably the hardest audience in England! Bill Routhier 07:19:24 4/15/97 (1)
        
        Response Thersites 07:38:37 4/15/97 (0)
        
        how's about the College survey of English Literature Bill Routhier 20:56:19 4/14/97 (2)
        
        Obvious fallacy Reality Chuck 07:16:59 4/15/97 (0)
        
        College Text? Thersites 01:52:14 4/15/97 (0)
        
        Oh? Bruce Spielbauer 18:41:30 4/14/97 (8)
        
        Interesting Equation Thersites 05:57:05 4/15/97 (7)
        
        Which? Bruce Spielbauer 15:12:52 4/15/97 (5)
        
        I was waiting for OJ to come up Bill Routhier 09:20:09 4/16/97 (0)
        
        I was waiting for OJ to come up Bill Routhier 09:19:54 4/16/97 (0)
        
        I was waiting for OJ to come up Bill Routhier 09:16:10 4/16/97 (1)
        
        But is he guilty or not? Thersites 05:13:17 4/17/97 (0)
        
        I've already made up my mind... Thersites 02:06:17 4/16/97 (0)
        
        well, i'm not sure they really were, Bill Routhier 07:28:06 4/15/97 (0)
        
        yet Shakespeare's motivation Bill Routhier 10:15:30 4/14/97 (0)
    - Check your Quotations Bruce Spielbauer 17:48:42 4/10/97 (1)
      - How many angels can fit on the head of a pin Cloten 17:54:41 4/10/97 (0)
Sonnet 20 Prof Mike 14:27:10 4/10/97 (0)

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